Episode 66: On Their Own: Takes on the Vice-Presidential Debates

In this episode, Stephanie’s out with an emergency root canal (ergo, she can’t speak; and we hope you’ll get better soon!) so we have invited Andhyta Firselly Utami, better known as Afu, to come and chat about the vice-presidential debates. Afu and her husband Wikan are the brains behind Frame & Sentences, a YouTube series that breaks down important social and political issues (we’ve also interviewed them in our 35th episode), and she’s also a researcher and policy expert currently based in Indonesia. We break down the debate performances of Jokowi’s running mate Ma’ruf Amin and Prabowo’s running mate Sandiaga Uno — in particular comparing the decidedly different backgrounds and experiences of both individuals. The topics of this round of debates are on education, health, human resources, social issues, and culture and we talk about how both candidates spoke to these issues, in particular on Indonesia’s human capital and the many problems surrounding its development.

We also discuss this growing trend of political awareness coming from the urban youth in particular and talk through what it means for young Indonesians of all background to become interested in what’s going on in the political space — and how can we leverage the conversation to be one that is inclusive, welcoming, and empathetic. We also dug deep into the topic of moral psychology and how, in order to truly celebrate our diversity and promote tolerance, we must understand where each of us are coming morally and really learn to listen. The elections (both presidential and legislative) are less than a month away, and these are all important and good food for thought as we consider our nation’s future.

Thanks for listening!

For those interested in learning more about the topic, we’ve provided links to resources as well as other recommended readings.
Jokowi’s running mate Ma’ruf holds his own in vice-presidential debate with Prabowo’s Sandiaga — courtesy of The Straits Times
Sandiaga expected to grill Ma’ruf in debate — courtesy of The Jakarta Post
Ma’ruf dominates online conversation, gets netizens’ approval: PoliticaWave — courtesy of The Jakarta Post
It’s a draw. In Indonesia’s vice-presidential debate, both candidates fail to offer relevant programs — courtesy of The Conversation
Debat cawapres: Ma’ruf Amin siapkan ‘gaya sendiri’, Sandiaga ‘semoga mencerahkan’ — quick dives into important debate topics, courtesy of BBC Indonesia
From social media to parliament: Young Indonesians enter politics — looking at growing youth interest and participation in Indonesian politics
Indonesian Elections: Getting Realistic About Millennial Votes — courtesy of the Diplomat
Jonathan Haidt: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives — courtesy of TED